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Exchanging Into Multiple Properties

Posted by taxguru on July 19, 2005

It’s a shame that there are still so many people, including far too many tax and real estate professionals, who are unclear on how Section 1031 like kind tax deferred exchanges work.  One common misconception that I often encounter is that the exchange can only be one for one; dispose of one property and replace it with a single property costing at least as much as the original property’s net price.  That has never been true, and has actually been a very unwise move when working with very expensive properties.  Diversifying by replacing one expensive property with several of lower value is a great way to avoid the classic investing mistake of putting all of one’s eggs in a single basket.  The most replacement properties I can recall in an exchange I worked on was twenty, several years ago when a client sold some Bay Area property and replaced it with 20 homes in Texas.

Which brings up another common misconception; that the replacement property has to be in the same state as the original.  While there are a very few states that may tax exchanges that move equity beyond their borders, that is not true for the IRS.  In fact, more than half of the exchanges that Sherry has been handling for the past 11 years have been between states, and none of them were taxable for Federal or State purposes. 

What triggered these comments was this article from the Wall Street Journal on how an investor replaced one $3.7 million Atlanta property with 33 properties in Florida.  He did run into the biggest problem in working with multiple properties; closing them all within the 180 day statutory replacement period.  He ended up with some taxable gain because some of the properties didn’t make the cut-off.  This is why it’s so important to start working on the replacement process as early as possible, ideally before the disposal leg of the exchange has even been wrapped up.  Too many investors make the big mistake of not even starting to look for their replacement properties until near the end of their 45 day identification period

 

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Doubling Section 179 Deductions

Posted by taxguru on July 16, 2005

 

Q:

Subject: C Corp and LLC

I saw some of your research online and have a quick question.  

Here is my situation.   I currently have 2 LLC’s operating as partnerships.   We are considering making 1 a C Corp in order to take advantage of 15% tax bracket.   There are other benefits of making one a C Corp as well.  If we make 1 a C Corp, can we take a full 179 deduction at the C Corp and again at the partnership level?   Essentially we would be getting the 179 deduction doubled, once inside the C and once at the member level of the LLC?   I cannot find any IRS ruling or anything relating to this.   Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

A:

In a way, you almost make it sound as if you would be claiming two Section 179 deductions on the same assets. 

What I have long been trying to explain as a big benefit of using C corps is the fact that they are eligible for their own full Section 179 allowance and the shareholders are also eligible for their own full allowance on their 1040s.  This does double the overall potential Section 179 deduction for single owner C corps.  The potential multiplier would be more for multi-owner C corps. 

This is why it is important to divide new business asset purchases between those made in the corp name and in the name of the shareholder or other entity (partnership or S corp).

I discussed this on my main website in a number of places:

http://www.taxguru.org/incometax/Rates/Sec179.htm

http://www.taxguru.org/corps/scorp.htm

Good luck.  I hope this helps.

Kerry Kerstetter

 

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Depreciation recapture on charitable gifts

Posted by taxguru on July 15, 2005

Q:

Kerry:
I have a tax question for you.  I met a tax professional, we were discussing charitable gifts of fully-depreciated property.

He indicated that if a person had given an apartment complex (that was fully depreciated) to a charity as an outright gift (not retaining a life income), the donor would have to recapture the depreciation on his tax return (count as income) then deduct the FMV of the property on Schedule A.  He told me that he knows this because he researched it for a client last year.

I have always heard that such gifts would not require recapture to the donor, since they are not receiving anything in exchange for the gift (except a charitable deduction).  Because recapture would not be required, the charitable deduction would be reduced by any amount of ordinary income (depreciation subject to recapture) had the property been sold.

So, there would be no taxable income to the donor, but a reduced charitable deduction.

If you have time, I would like to know if I am correct or not (or if the tax pro is correct).  Thank you for any advice you could give me.

 

A:

It doesn’t work quite that way.  The amount claimed on Schedule A for the gift does have to be reduced by the amount that would have been reported as ordinary income or short term capital gain.  However, that amount does not have to be actually reported as income.

I confirmed this with my two main reference sources, Page 5-12 of the 2004 1040 QuickFinder Handbook and Paragraph 4119 of the Kleinrock Total Tax Guide, which I quote here.

4119 Reduction of Amount of Contribution for Certain Appreciated Property

In the case of contributions of appreciated property (i.e., property with a FMV in excess of the taxpayer’s basis), deducting the FMV of the contributed property is especially beneficial because the contribution ordinarily is not a recognition event, and the taxpayer does not recognize the gain inherent in the property. To prevent abuse, the taxpayer must reduce the deductible amount of a charitable contribution by the amount of gain (other than long-term capital gain) that would have been recognized if the property had been sold at FMV at the time of the contribution. §170(e)(1)(A). This rule requires a reduction for both ordinary income and short-term capital gain.

A similar rule requires a reduction for the amount of long-term capital gain that would be recognized if the contributed property had been sold for its FMV at the time of the contribution. However, unlike the rule for gain other than long-term capital gain, this rule applies only in three situations: (1) if the property is contributed to certain private non-operating foundations; (2) if the property contributed is tangible personal property and the charity’s use of the property is unrelated to its tax-exempt purpose; or (3) if the taxpayer elects to reduce the FMV by the amount of capital gain. §170(e)(1)(B).

In addition, contributions or gifts of capital gain property are subject to special percentage limitations. An individual’s deductible contributions of capital gain property to public charities are limited to 30 percent of the contribution base (§170(b)(1)(C)) and contributions of capital gain property to a charity other than a public charity may not exceed 20 percent of the individual’s contribution base. §170(b)(1)(D).

I hope this helps.

Kerry Kerstetter

 

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It’s what Dems do

Posted by taxguru on July 14, 2005

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2004 Extensions

Posted by taxguru on July 14, 2005

I have noticed a lot of confusion among clients as to the expiration dates of the extensions we filed in April for 2004 tax returns.  The extension (4868) for the individual income tax return (1040) doesn’t expire until August 15, at which time Form 2688 can be filed to request two more months time.

It is different for pass-through entities, such as partnerships (1065) and trusts (1041).  In some twisted kind of government logic, even though these tax returns usually have their figures end up on 1040s, the first extensions that were filed in April (8736) only last for three months, expiring on July 15.  Another three months time can be obtained by filing two copies of Form 8800 with IRS by July 15.  The approved copy is then supposed to be sent back to you or your designated preparer.  This extends the due date to October 17.  The 15th is a Saturday.  I just finished preparing about 20 of them last night, which Sherry is now taking to the post office.   

Extensions for one kind of pass-through entity, S corporations (1120S), don’t expire on July 15.  The 7004 was due in by March 15 and was good for six months, just as it is for regular C corporations (1120), setting the due date as September 15.

 

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Do you have enough insurance?

Posted by taxguru on July 13, 2005

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Dems Nightmare Comes True

Posted by taxguru on July 13, 2005

Back during the debate over Bush’s tax cuts, the Dems were petrified that lower rates would stimulate the economy and help out the GOP. Contrary to the outright lies by the Left and just as happened with Reagan’s cuts, the lower rates have increased tax revenues. That is no surprise to those of us who understand true market forces and haven’t fallen for leftist propaganda.

Of course, Queen Hillary and her fellow JackAsses can’t resist the urge to continue their class warfare attacks on the tax cuts. Their only hope for any political success is to do as much damage to the economy as they can in order to then blame it on Bush.

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Taxpayer Supported Benefits For Illegals

Posted by taxguru on July 13, 2005

Banks Open Doors To Illegal Immigrants – Anyone who has had to jump through the various hoops to obtain a mortgage from a bank should be spitting mad that our own government is actually making it easier for ILLEGAL aliens to get home loans.  This falls into the same insane category as what many of the states are doing, allowing ILLEGAL aliens to to have free or severely reduced tuition for state colleges; lower than what is charged for LEGAL taxpaying citizens. 

We have gone through the looking glass when ILLEGAL behavior is so rewarded by our rulers. The obvious answer to this flagrant abuse of power by our rulers is to vote them out of office.  Unfortunately, that is only going to become more difficult, as they continue to expand the abilities of ILLEGAL immigrants to vote.

 

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