
Archive for August 7th, 2005
How our rulers want us to spend the Summer
Posted by taxguru on August 7, 2005
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Two Primary Residences
Posted by taxguru on August 7, 2005
Q:
Subject: We have two homes and…
we want to get married. His home has 400,000 equity and mine has 500,000. We were going to sell mine that will hit two years in March. If we got married in January and sold in March…could he qualify with me as this being our primary res.? And we would move into his. OR does he have to live here with me to qualify?
A:
You will only qualify for a $250,000 exclusion. Your example sounds just like the following from the IRS website:
Example 1 one spouse sells a home.
Emily sells her home in June 2004. She marries Jamie later in the year. She meets the ownership and use tests, but Jamie does not. Emily can exclude up to $250,000 of gain on a separate or joint return for 2004.
Basically, the only way to increase that exclusion above $250,000 would be to add your fiance’s name to the title and have him occupy it as his primary residence. It’s worth $342.47 of tax free gain for each day that he meets the ownership and use test.
What you really need to do is make a thorough and complete calculation of the cost basis of your home so that you can keep your gain to the lowest amount possible. The amount of equity you may have in the home is a completely different number than your cost basis or your potential profit. If you haven’t been keeping track of how much you have invested in the home, you need to get started reconstructing that ASAP. Be sure to include the costs of any appliances, furnishings and fixtures that you will be including as part of your home sale.
And most important, work with a tax pro who understands how to minimize the taxation of home sales.
Good luck.
Kerry Kerstetter
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Vehicle Trades & Section 179
Posted by taxguru on August 7, 2005
Q:
Subject: Section 179
Dear Kerry,
I wanted to inquire as to your fee to get a determination on the following tax issue:I purchased an SUV for my business in Dec 2002 and took the sec .179, (24k) plus 1st year accelerated depn (approx 7k).Traded it in Sept of 2003. for another that was 7,000 more and reported a like kind exchangeNow, Aug 2005, I want to trade it for a station wagon. (non qualifying under sec 179). Value of the trade is about 31,000 and the new car is about 60,000.What are the recapture issues. When will it not matter, etc.Thank you,
A:
While the new station wagon may not qualify for the huge Section 179 deduction that vehicles over 6,000 pounds do, it does qualify as a like kind asset for an exchange from your current SUV.
Since you are trading up and not receiving any cash out of this transaction, the only way any Section 179 recapture would kick in is if the new vehicle is used less than 50% for business purposes before December 2007 (five years after the original SUV was purchased). If that happens, a pro-rated recapture would be required.
If that’s a possibility, you should work with your personal tax pro to see how much that would cost you in actual tax dollars.
Good luck.
Kerry Kerstetter
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Customizing QuickBooks Reports
Posted by taxguru on August 7, 2005
I received this in response to one of my QuickBooks tips on setting up reports.
Subject: Please help me with your expertise
For example, Sherry’s Tax Free Exchange Corporation holds millions of dollars in trust for clients to reinvest. I wanted to use QuickBooks to keep track of each client’s funds balance without having to keep separate records. QuickBooks doesn’t allow a report of an account’s activity to be sorted by the memo field, which is where I include the client’s name for checks written and wires sent. I found that I could go into the liability account I have set up for client trust funds and reverse the memo and payee entries (using Windows copy & paste) so that the client’s name was in all of the payee fields for all of the activity related to him. I configured (and memorized) a report to list all of the activity in the Client Trust Funds sorted and subtotaled by Payee. It allows me a perfect reconciliation of exactly how much money we are holding for each client.Will you kindly tell me the configuration of your report to list all activity in the Client Funds sorted and subtotaled by Payee? Many thanks.
A:
I tried to save my report as a template that you could import and use; but it wouldn’t let me.
What I set up was really just a basic Transaction Detail By Account for the Trust Funds Liability account totaled by Payee. I set the date range very wide and well into the future to cover all activity for several years to come.
In order to print out just the activity for any one client’s trust fund activity, I check the box next to “Page break after each major grouping” in the “Print Report” window.
Good luck. I hope this helps.
Kerry Kerstetter
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LLC Distributions
Posted by taxguru on August 7, 2005
Q:
TP buying a replacement property thru his newly formed one member LLC. He lends his LLC $ 100 to be able to buy this property in cash. If he turns around and refinance it for $200, can he distribute it without paying any income tax?
A:
It will depend on his basis in the LLC, normally by the balance in his capital account. If it has a positive credit balance of more than $200,000, such a distribution would have no tax effect.
However, if a $200,000 distribution puts that capital account into a negative debit balance, the excess is required to be reported as taxable income to him.
A common way around this is to avoid pushing the capital account into a negative balance and post any payment amounts that would do so as a “Loan To Member: on the LLC’s books. To better document the status of a loan between TP and the LLC and protect against any possible IRS reclassification, it would be a good idea to draw up a loan agreement and have TP actually make payments on that loan.
I hope this helps.
Kerry Kerstetter
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IRS Summons On CPA
Posted by taxguru on August 7, 2005
Q:
Mr. Kerstetter,
Great web site! I am a CPA in South Carolina. I have received an IRS Summons for me to appear with any records I may have regarding a former client. The summons came from a local agent in the small business/self-employed division. All source documents/records were returned to the client previously.
It has always been my understanding that in tax prep engagements (non-attest work), my responsibility is to only keep a copy of the tax return for my files.
Do you agree?Lastly, any words of advice on how to proceed based on your experiences would be greatly appreciated. I am a little concerned about having a conversation with an agent regarding a former client that I am not representing in an exam. The last thing I want to do is to say or do anything that would damage some position or strategy the taxpayer or their representative may have taken that I am not aware of.
Any thoughts/advice would be most welcome.Thanks in advance,
A:
It sounds like a standard wide net fishing expedition by the IRS agent to round up documents that the taxpayer has refused to provide willingly. Such a request in no way means that you have or ever had any legal requirement to retain any original source documents or copies of them. Even if you only have copies of the 1040s that you prepared, IRS agents prefer to ask us preparers for them rather than wait the several months it would take to obtain them from inside the IRS system. What they would also need to see would be copies of any worksheets that you used as part of the tax prep process that weren’t attached to the return that was filed. For example, some preparers do not attach detailed depreciation schedules to their 1040s (a big pet peeve of mine).
As we all know far too well, only attorneys have client confidentiality protection, and we mere CPAs have to do what IRS demands in this regard. I have never thought that to be morally right; but unfortunately, the courts have always helped IRS enforce those kinds of summons in support of their perceived mission – more money for the government.
In regard to how I would respond to the summons, I would make photo-copies of the 1040s for the years being requested, along with any backup worksheets or other documents, such as client organizers, that are in your files. I would then mail them to the agent. In regard to personally discussing anything with the auditor, I don’t see how the summons covers that. I would just send copies of the documents you have, along with a signed statement that these are all inclusive of what you have in your possession for that client; and refuse to have any conversations with the auditor, where he will try to get you to say something incriminating about your former client.
Of course, if the former client’s case goes bad and he is indicted on criminal tax evasion charges, there is always a chance that you could be subpoenaed as a witness and have to testify at the trial. It sounds like that kind of situation would be a long ways off; so hopefully you won’t have to go through that.
Good luck. I hope this helps.
Please let me know if there are any strange twists to this that you wouldn’t mind sharing with me and my readers.
Kerry Kerstetter
Follow-Up:
Kerry,
You are exactly right. It is the standard fishing expedition. I get a strong sense the taxpayer has been unwilling to cooperate.
I will compile more complete notes on this and forward to you. It may be helpful to someone else later on.
Thank you very much for your help and info. I look forward to staying in touch.
Best regards,
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Exchanging Poultry Houses
Posted by taxguru on August 7, 2005
Over the past few decades, I have had several debates about what constitutes “like kind” as part of Section 1031 tax deferred exchanges. A new type of disagreement that I had never heard of in my 27+ years of consulting on 1031 exchanges came up a few weeks ago, as Sherry was working with an exchange client who wanted to dispose of a poultry farm and replace it with a different kind of farm property. Their CPA had told them that such an exchange was not legal, which led to the following email exchange between me and that client’s CPA.
From The Exchange Client:
Our accountant tells us that the 4 poultry houses (with a Tyson contract) will not fall under a 1031 because they are a single purpose agricultural unit and would be considered a personal business and “theoretically” could be moved. We questioned this because we thought we could use them in the exchange also and further reduce the tax load.
My first email to the client’s CPA:
As you know, some kinds of real estate are allowed by IRS to be depreciated under Section 1245, while others are under Section 1250. The definition of like kind for 1031 exchanges does not distinguish between depreciation classes.
The only description given in IRS rules, regulations and instructions has been “real property for real property” without regard to class. In all of my years working in this area, I have never seen or heard anything from IRS requiring that the original and replacement properties be depreciable under the same code section (1245 or 1250). What is more critical is how state law classifies the property. If they treat it as real property and not personal property, then it falls under the same general classification for 1031 exchanging.
Over the years, I have actually prepared a number of returns where Section 1245 real property has been exchanged for 1250 real property and IRS has never had any problems.
I just pulled out one of my main reference sources regarding 1031 exchanges, the Thomson-West book “Tax Free Exchanges Under Section 1031.” I couldn’t find any distinction regarding exchanging between Section 1245 and 1250 properties. They have a short list of some examples where different kinds of real property have been treated as qualifying like kind under Section 1031. Some of these aren’t even under Section 1245 or 1250; so the definition of like kind for real property is very very wide.
I will copy these pages and fax them to you later this afternoon.
I hope this clears up any confusion you may have.
Kerry Kerstetter
His Reply:
Kerry, I got your fax. I agree that there are no class distinctions regarding section 1250 property and that the the choices here are very broad. However, the exchange of 1245 property for real estate is denied by the regs. How do you get around the IRS definition of poultry houses?The fact that your exchanges have never been challenged doesn’t mean the IRS agrees with them. I’m wondering if your contracts are being attached to returns, and whether they separately identify all the section 1245 property involved. If not, maybe we should try one and see if it flies. If you have no objections, we could do the client’s contract in that manner, and I’ll submit a copy with their return.Let me know. Thanks.
My Answer:
As I’ve said, we’ve never had any problems with IRS accepting the classification of poultry houses as business real property as long as they were assessed by the local counties as such.
This is very similar to a situation I have frequently encountered over the past 20+ years when discussing 1031 exchanges with various people. A common misconception is that only the exact same kinds of real estate must be involved in an exchange. For example, a single family rental house can only be replaced with another single family rental house. Or an office building can only be replaced with an office building; and so on. I have heard this from many tax pros, as well as from IRS auditors. When I explain that the definition of “like kind” is any type of business or investment real property for any type of business or investment property, they ask me when the rules were changed to allow this kind of cross-over between different kinds of real estate. I then explain that those were always the rule and it was never restricted to the same exact kinds of real estate. IRS’s own instructions for valid like kind exchanges include examples of different types and classes of real estate being involved.
However, as you know, with personal property, the definition of valid “like kind” is much more narrow and is where the depreciation classes used are extremely important in deciding whether the original and replacement property qualify for Section 1031 treatment.
The 8824s reporting the exchanges have always included complete descriptions of the properties involved; so IRS has had plenty of chances to see where special use properties such as poultry houses and self storage units have been exchanged for completely different kinds of real properties. IRS has never had any problems with the returns I prepared and we have never heard of any problems with tax returns that were prepared by other accountants for these same kinds of exchanges.
I’ve never attached an actual exchange agreement to the tax returns that I have prepared, and I have no way of knowing if any other tax preparers attached any to the returns they prepared. However, I have always been a big believer in attaching a ton of explanatory info to tax returns when there are things that may be considered out of the ordinary. That is the main reason I have never believed in the IRS’s electronic filing program. If you feel such a need to attach a copy of the exchange agreement to the clients’ 1040, by all means do that. I am completely confident that there will be no problem from IRS in regard to this.
Kerry Kerstetter
What I didn’t include in any of emails was the fact that I also went through the TaxTools questionnaire / flowchart regarding qualification for a 1031 exchange with this client’s info and it qualified with no problem. In fact, it never asks for the type of depreciation that was claimed on either the original or replacement property. As I mentioned earlier, I had never seen or heard of that being a factor in determining like kind status of property. As long as the county assessed the poultry houses as real property (which it did) and not personal property, IRS would honor that as like kind for an exchange into other types of business or investment real property.
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