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Archive for August, 2007

Taxing IRA Investments

Posted by taxguru on August 25, 2007

Q:

Hi Kerry,

 

Can sold IRA asset profits be treated as long term capital gains for tax accounting if they are kept over the required time?(6months?)

 

I have sold quite a bit this year and would appreciate your advice.

 

Thanks….

 

A:

This is an issue that catches a lot people by surprise.  While sales of assets held for more than 12 months in your individual or living trust’s name qualify for the special lower long term capital gains tax rates, that is not the case for gains made by investments inside IRA and other retirement accounts.

Conventional IRAs, where you claim a deduction for contributions made to the accounts, are tax deferred arrangements.  When money is drawn out, and not rolled over into another retirement account, it is all subject to income tax as ordinary income regardless of how the money was invested inside the retirement account.  Income generated from bonds or other interest bearing investments is taxed the same way as profits made from stock trades.  So, keeping track of long term capital gains earned inside IRAs is not required for anything.

The other main kind of IRA, the non-deductible Roth, has the advantage of allowing completely tax free income from all of its investments, as long as the account has been held for at least five years.  Just like with conventional IRAs, there is no need to keep track of what kinds of earnings were generated inside the IRA because they all receive the same tax treatment.

As you may have read on my blog on several occasions, I am still very skeptical of the long term tax free status of Roth IRAs.  It is still my prediction that our rulers in DC will pull the same Switcheroo on Roths as they did with Social Security benefits, and force those they consider to be evil rich to pay tax on income receive from them.  FYI: Evil rich for SS recipients is any single person earning over $25,000 or married couple earning over $32,000 per year. 

I hope this answers your question.

Kerry

 

 

Netflix, Inc.

 

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Double Counted Dependent Child

Posted by taxguru on August 25, 2007

Q:

Mr Guru – hope you don’t mind my picking your brains on this matter.  I have a couple who divorced early in the decade with a dependent child  Father was to claim child in odd years and Mother in even years.  In 2006, I prepped Mother’s 2005 return, who instructed me to claim the child regardless that this was an odd year.  Now, Father (who had some long-standing tax problems) wants to finally file his 2005 1040 & claim child.  Ethically, do I need to notify Mother that I’m filing Father’s 1040 claiming child?  Should I automatically file a 2005 1040X for Mother taking off the child?  Or just let me IRS notify them both?  Any ideas?

 

A:

That kind of every other year arrangement is increasingly common with divorced parents, so this kind of thing does pop up frequently.

As you most likely already have experienced, IRS is very efficient at catching attempts to claim the same child more than once and they will generally allow the first parent’s return to have the exemption and deny the second parent’s.

This brings you to your point; how to remedy the problem.  While there may be a number of ways to correct the situation, here are some ideas. 

Technically, in the IRS’s eyes, they don’t have to honor the agreement between the parents and will leave it up to them to hash it out between themselves to equalize the situation.  While the short-changed parent could notify IRS of the inappropriate dependent claim and try to trigger some IRS pressure on his ex, I have found that IRS really isn’t very concerned about this kind of thing and will most likely do nothing.  This leaves a civil lawsuit as the remedy for the short-changed parent to enforce his rights under the divorce agreement, most likely in Small Claims Court. 

I wouldn’t just go ahead and prepare the 1040X without getting an agreement from the mother that she will indeed file it with IRS and pay you for doing that work.  Otherwise, you have wasted your time for nothing.

If the mother agrees to filing a 1040X to remove the child, that’s fine and sets the stage for the father to later file his proper 1040.

However, I have seen a number of occasions where the first parent didn’t want to rock the boat with IRS by filing a 1040X and instead agreed to reimburse the other parent directly for the difference in the taxes with and without the child.  In those kinds of cases, you can prepare draft returns both ways to document the difference in Federal and State taxes, and the mother would then write a check for that amount to the father, plus the additional costs for you to do those calculations, since it was her fault in improperly claiming the child. 

Obviously, who bears these additional costs is negotiable between the three of you.  If you want to accept some responsibility for the screw-up on the mother’s 1040, and do the extra work for free, that’s your call to make.

Obviously, there’s no cut and dried answer; but I hope this gives you some ideas to work with.

Good luck.

Kerry

Follow-Up:

Mr Guru – thanx for your input, as always.  I’ll take it from here.

 

Business Plan Pro

 

 

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Progressive Tax Rates

Posted by taxguru on August 25, 2007

Q:

Subject: Tax Question and Great Thanks!

 

Let me first say Thank You for your taxguru.org site and your blog. I have been reading the material several times over to get it to sink. Of course, I am consulting my two knowledgeable colleagues and reading IRS doc/online resources to augment your articles.

 

Currently I am an IT consultant but I want to be my own business and try to make my own fortune. The problem is, when I want to learn something new I attack it hard. This means I am in serious study mode right now. Okay , onto the question..:)

 

Question

I have a question regading the following verbiage taken from this link

“A C corporation has its own progressive tax rate structure, ranging from 15% on the first $50,000 of net income, to as much as 39%.   My philosophy is to look at the overall tax picture for individuals and their companies by smoothing income over the personal (1040) and corporate (1120) tax returns.   For 2000, a married couple’s 15% tax bracket ends at $43,850 of taxable income.  It then jumps to 28%, almost double the rate.  However, if you consider that the couple’s C corporation has its own $50,000 15% bracket, their overall combined 15% bracket has more than doubled to $93,850.   That alone can save several thousands of dollars per year in income taxes.”

 

What is some good study material to get some practical examples for dividing my income from my business (when I start it) and my personal income to keep me in the lowest possible tax bracket for both?

 

In regards to the very first sentence, why would the tax rate be “flexible” and range from15% to 39%? Why isn’t a static figure? Where can I read more to understand this? Or did you mean that the maximum

 

I actually have two more questions but on a different topic but I’ll save that for a future correspondence if there is one. I sincerely appreciate any information/advice you can offer.

 

Thank you,

 

A:

One of the basic fundamental aspects of the income tax system in this country has long been the use of “progressive” tax rates, which penalize those who earn more money by taking a larger percentage of their income away from them.  You can see the current tax rate schedules on my website:

Individuals   

C Corps   

If we had just one single flat tax rate, there wouldn’t be as much opportunity for tax savings by the income smoothing strategies I mentioned on my website.  Unfortunately, the pervasive “hate the rich” mentality in this country will never allow such a change. 

Studying issues like this and discussing them with colleagues can only take you so far in understanding how to best maneuver within the tax system.  You need to be working with an experienced professional tax advisor who can help you apply these and other strategies to your particular circumstances.  There is no one size fits all solution to proper tax planning.  What may be a good plan for a colleague could very well end up costing you a lot of needless additional taxes because such things as family members (spouses and kids) and personal likes and dislikes can have huge impacts on any tax saving plans.

Good luck.  I hope this helps.

Kerry Kerstetter

 

 

 

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Posted by taxguru on August 22, 2007

Foreclosure’s other shoe: a big tax bill – Nothing new here.  Debt relief has always been considered income.  I don’t see this as that big a deal because I’m sure many of the people who have gains from foreclosures will also have qualifying unforeseen circumstances that allow the prorated tax free exclusion of gain under Section 121.

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Posted by taxguru on August 21, 2007

Income-Tax Foes Regroup – More on the FairTax movement.

 

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Sharing Education Credits?

Posted by taxguru on August 18, 2007

Q:

Subject: Lifetime Learning Credit intertwined with a Gift

Hi Kerry,

Longtime reader, first-time e-mailer. For starters, great blog! On to my question…

I am about to begin my second year of law school. For 2006, I took the lifetime learning credit because I had income from the job I held for the first seven months of the year. In 2007, I will have negligible income and the lifetime learning credit will do nothing for ME. My parents will not pay for any of my education.

Are there any roadblocks to the following scenario?:
1) Mom pays for $10,000 of my education expenses
2) I gift Mom $8,000
3) Mom takes the lifetime learning credit for a $2000 deduction
Net results: Mom = even, Me = +$2000

Lastly, would my Mom need to pay the $10,000 directly to the institution or could she simply pay me.

Thanks in advance for your response (and the great service your blog serves)!

A:

After the first reading of your email, my gut reaction was that there were several flaws to your plan.  However, after checking my reference materials on the lifetime education credit, it appears that many of the steps are possible. 

One key point that you forgot to mention was whether or not you are being claimed as a dependent on your mom’s 1040.  If not, she can’t claim any credit for your education costs. 

If you are a qualified dependent on your mom’s 1040, she can use gift money to pay the education costs.  However, that step may not even be necessary.  She also has the option to count payments made directly by her dependent (you) when computing the credit. 

Just to clear up terminology, the lifetime education credit is 20% of the qualified costs, up to $10,000 per taxpayer.  This would result in a $2,000 credit, which is a potential dollar for dollar reduction of her income tax.  This is much more valuable than a $2,000 deduction, which has a savings based on her tax bracket.

You also didn’t say how high your mom’s income is.  There are phase-outs of the credit in order to prevent the people our rules consider to be evil rich from receiving any of this tax break.  If her AGI is over those limits, this is all a moot point.

As always, these are general comments and any specific plans related to this kind of strategy should be developed with the assistance of your and your mom’s personal professional tax advisors.

Good luck.

Kerry Kerstetter


Follow-Up:

Ok thanks. I guess as a law student I should’ve read the lifetime learning credit materials a little closer as I am NOT a dependent anymore.

Thanks for your help!

 

TaxCoach Software: Are you giving your clients what they really want?

 

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Why AARP is so opposed to Social Security Reform…

Posted by taxguru on August 18, 2007

Posted in comix, SSA | Comments Off on Why AARP is so opposed to Social Security Reform…

Posted by taxguru on August 17, 2007

Fair Tax, Foul Politics – Surprisingly strong opposition to the FairTax proposal by the editors of National Review, who believe it to be political suicide for any candidate supporting it. I think they are overstating the country’s love for the IRS; but this is a good example of how impossible it is to make a radical change in the tax system with no majority supporting any alternative. We are doomed to eternal tinkering with the current system, guaranteeing an unending amount of work for us tax pros.

[Update: Feedback on this editorial]

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3 Scariest Words?

Posted by taxguru on August 16, 2007


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Bad experiences with tax preparers?

Posted by taxguru on August 15, 2007

I am scheduled to have a phone interview tomorrow with a writer for SmartMoney on the subject of being smarter about looking for tax pros, which is obviously a topic I have long been very vocal about.

The writer is also interested in hearing from others on this topic.  Specifically:

Also, I’m looking to talk to some people who have been dissatisfied with a tax preparer’s service (including but not limited to CPAs, enrolled agents, joe shmoes, & storefronts). Can you think of anyone I might get in touch with, or would you be willing to post a query on your blog?
 

When we talk tomorrow, I plan on giving her some examples of tax preparer screw-ups I have seen.  When we first relocated here from the SF Bay Area, it was like shooting fish in a barrel, correcting huge expensive mistakes that other preparers had made and recovering hundreds of thousands of dollars for people.

Anyone else – tax pros, as well as clients – who would like to contribute to this article by sharing their bad experiences getting their taxes done should contact Janet Paskin via email at jpaskin@hearst.com

 


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