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Reduced Sec. 179 For Vehicles?

Posted by taxguru on September 11, 2007

Q:

Subject: your comment about vehicles

Hello Kerry,

 

In searching on the net for some credible comments about expensing 100% of movable business property, your website was the only one I found that seemed to have any straight forward comments.  What I’ve found varies so widely, it all would go good with an Alice in Wonderland story.  Also, what I’ve read (including on the IRS website) is that trucks with GVW over 6,000 had reverted back to a $2,600/yr max expensing, yet I had heard and read that the 100% (up to 100,000) had been extended, but all comments seem to be vauge at best.  Other than your website, can’t find much on this subject.

 

Is per what you have posted on your website correct, that trucks with a GVW over 6,000 can still be expensed out in one year?  Did the IRS/congress indeed extend this through 2009 or ?

 

I found your website refreshing, as you seem to not beat around bushes.  Also, it appears you are in Arkansas.  Am looking to maybe find a state to live in where the real estate markets haven’t gone out through the roof…  Do you do CPA work in just a particular location in Arkansas?  Does Arkansas have a personal income tax or corporate income/franchiese tax?

 

Thanks!

 

A:

I’m not sure where that rumor started about the reduction in the vehicle Section 179, but that’s completely bogus.  As I’ve explained several times, the 6,000 pound exception to the Luxury Vehicle rule has been around since 1984 and has never been repealed. 

I have a lot of info on Section 179 on my website

As I frequently explain to people who ask me to prove that a certain item of tax law hasn’t been changed, it’s difficult to prove a negative (that something hasn’t happened) and I don’t have time to debunk every crazy tax rumor that’s floating around.  The burden of proof should be on those who claim that something has changed.  Make those people who are telling you that the law has been changed prove their statements

Arkansas does have an income tax on both individuals and corporations.  You can see the rates and other details on the DFA’s website

As you can see in my email signature, I haven’t been accepting any new clients for a number of years and don’t know if or when I will take any new ones on.

Good luck.  I hope this helps.

Kerry Kerstetter


Follow-Up:

Hello Kerry,

 

I can see why you’re booked up.  Your web page below is very clear and straight forward.  I’m amazed from what I found on many other “tax” sites and even when searching the IRS website about this, what I found was that for vehicles over 6,000 GVW, the yearly maximum had reverted back to something like 2,600, and yes, I kept trying to make sure I was searching for trucks, not SUV’s.  It’s hard to find competent and knowledgable tax accountants.  Appreciate the feedback and best wishes.

 

  

Business Plan Pro

 

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Vehicle Depreciation Recapture + Leasing

Posted by taxguru on August 31, 2007

Q:

Subject: Thanks and a Question

Kerry,

Just discovered your website today.  Very nice.  Thanks for the hours you must devote to keeping this up to date.

I found your site by researching a question on recapture rules for SUVs used in a business.  You’ve probably already thoroughly addressed this, but I’m afraid I couldn’t find the answer.  So, here’s the situation:

Client placed into service a large SUV (greater than 6,000 lbs gross vehicle weight) on 12/1/03.  He took advantage of the generous Section 179 election available back then, so has no basis left in the vehicle.

Business use has never dropped below 50%.  He is considering selling the vehicle, which has a current value of around $25,000.  Questions:

1.      What is the earliest date he could sell the vehicle without being exposed to recapture?  Is it 5 years from the in-service date (12/1/08)?

2.      Even if client waits long enough to avoid any recapture, is he still subject to tax on the sale?  If yes, is it capital gains or ordinary income?

3.      Client would prefer to lease his next business vehicle rather than trade this one in on another purchased vehicle. Is there a better way to get the next business vehicle? 

 

Thanks so much for your time.

A:

I have discussed the recapture rules on several occasions, which you can probably find by searching my blog. However, a quick review may be handy here.

For some reason, you seem to have the mistaken impression that it is possible to wait out the recapture requirements.  That is the case for the Section 179 recapture requirement while still owning the vehicle.  However, that is not possible for a sale.

It is always important to keep tabs on the adjusted cost basis (aka book value) of business assets so that you can know what any potential gain or loss would be triggered by its sale.

Basically, the book value is the original cost of the asset less the depreciation (including Sec. 179) claimed up to the point of sale.  In your case, if you expensed the entire cost of the SUV, its book value is zero, which means the full amount of any sales price will be taxable at the 25% Federal depreciation tax rate, plus state tax if you are in a taxable state.  This would be the case if the sale took place now or 50 years from now.

Before a sale, there is a potential taxable partial recapture of the Section 179 if the asset’s business usage slips below 50% in the first five years after you place it into service while still owning it.

If you are disposing of the SUV in order to acquire a newer model, there will be no taxable recapture if you trade in your existing one on the purchase of a new one costing at least as much as the old one is worth and you receive no cash or net relief of debt.

Replacing the SUV with one on an operating lease won’t qualify for any tax break.  A disguised purchase lease may qualify.

I have never been a fan of leasing from a financial perspective and have longed warned about how much of a rip-off it is.  With very few exceptions, I have found that operating leases of vehicles are by far the most expensive way to finance their acquisition; often incurring an implicit interest rate of well over 30% APR.  This is even before the exorbitant charges assessed by leasing companies for such things as excess mileage and excessive wear and tear. 

Unlike conventional vehicle loans, which are required to make full disclosure of the interest rates, leasing companies are allowed to camouflage their implicit rates and even lie about  what it is.  I have actually heard employees of leasing companies deny that there is any interest charge built into their monthly lease payments.  However, since any financially competent analyst can very easily compute exactly what those charges are, I have amazed clients with the truth about what they are being charged.  This is useful in saving them a lot of money when they ask for my advice before signing up for a lease; but is disheartening news when they tell mine about the lease after they have committed to it and are faced with the reality of how much they are being screwed over.  A lease with a 30% built-in interest rate simply doesn’t seem like much of a bargain compared to a purchase loan of zero to five percent.

These are all extremely basic tax and financial principles that any competent tax person should have no problem explaining to you and your clients; so before disposing of the old SUV or acquiring a new one, a tax pro should be consulted.

Good luck.  I hope this helps.

Kerry Kerstetter

 

 

 

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